Group Facilitation-t-251] IAF-CFP Recertification View online

[Sally_Murfitt]

But what is the process for re-certification? Particularly in Europe?
I have yet to discover one.

Regards


Sally Murfitt CPF
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[Gary_Rush]

Hi,

The recertification process hasn't been completed yet. It's planned to include writing about the workshops that you've conducted over the past 3 years and having that reviewed by assessors. It is also planned to cost about $350. In the beginning, it'll be aimed at getting those certified earliest recertified first.

Beyond that, Michael Spivey will be rolling out the process later this year or early next year. It's been a while in the making, but it'll be good to have once it is done.

Ciao,
Gary

[Jan_Lelie]

Friends of Facilitation,

I would like to have a review without the involvement of an assessor. Couldn't we have a system were you can earn points by conducting sessions (you can add them to your 'resume' on the IAF-CPF site. For every session of 4 hours: one point), attending (2 points) and/or giving (4 points) (facilitation) training, submitting e-mails to this forum (just let others award points for answers (the idea is very valuable: 1 point!), writing articles (6 points), books (8 points), reviewing workshops, participating in IAF-conferences (10 points), conducting a workshop on an IAF-conference (douze points - this is the point :)) and activities? etc? Only when you don't 'earn' enough points over three years - say 42 :cool: points, you 'loose' your certificate and you'll be invited to be re-assessed. This would also stimulate community building and professional improvement. The IAF should only have a small committee who award the points to events and now and then verify the scores.

[Sally_Murfitt]

Speaking as one who is Europe-based, I think your suggestion is a
fantastic one Jan

Maybe, in these technological times, there could be a telephone
interview or video meeting just to sign off, but think how much more
involvement the IAF would gain rather than certifying people who go off
to work and who have little more ongoing involvement with their
certifying organisation.

I'm sure there are issues & concerns still to be sorted but I would vote
for a system along these lines. Thanks for thinking of it

Regards


Sally Murfitt CPF
Facilitator & Project Manager
HWK160 PO Box 400
LONDON N18 1XU
Tel : +44 1787 269994 Mob : +44 7710 055454
MeetMe number 0870 8506521
Passcode 81068195
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[John_Miller]

Jan_Lelie has some cool ideas for supplementing the certification process.

Keeping a log of experience sounds like a good habit for any professional. Taking it online and adding a points system sounds creative.

I like the way it might reward people for what sounds like frequenting a social networking site.

My only concerns would be:
- proof of claims
- quality of experience being documented
- time required of a committed team of IAF volunteers.

Those are just concerns, not show-stoppers. I wonder if anyone else is at least half-curious about your ideas for keeping track of experience.

..john

[Gary_Rush]

Hi,

The concept of tracking activity - such as facilitating, attending conferences, writing articles, taking classes, etc. - is in our plan. Many other certifications require continuing education and continuing involvement to maintain their certification. We are in the process of working this for CPF recertification.

Any ideas on how to award points (such as Jan suggested) are welcome. The awarding and tracking are the most complex issues we have. We are working of fixing the tracking problem.

Thoughts?

Ciao,
Gary

[Patricia Nunis]

Hi

I have been following the discussion on re-certification and agree with Jan
and John Miller to base it on tracking and points for work done and
continuing devt. John's note of keeping a journal of sorts for
facilitation experiences is useful - if the format or categories for entry
could be set - and it is hosted on the website - this would enable members
to enter journal entries onto a common location - for viewing and tracking.
Example of categories could be based on duration of workshops, no. of
participants, type of facilitation done.. Etc etc. Entries could then be
reviewed and verified by the Certification Team at periodic intervals.

Love to hear more on this from the others.

Patricia Nunis
CPF




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Hi,

The concept of tracking activity - such as facilitating, attending
conferences, writing articles, taking classes, etc. - is in our plan. Many
other certifications require continuing education and continuing involvement
to maintain their certification. We are in the process of working this for
CPF recertification.

Any ideas on how to award points (such as Jan suggested) are welcome. The
awarding and tracking are the most complex issues we have. We are working
of fixing the tracking problem.

Thoughts?

Ciao,
Gary
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[Susan_Peryam]

As far as "awarding points" for re-certification. I think that is a good
idea. I have done similar for ASQ Quality Manager certification. Has
anyone looked at ASQ's points process? In addition, for those that do not
want to track or do not have enough points by the end of the 3 year period,
ASQ allows a person to re-certify by going back through the testing process.




Susan



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Certified Professional Facilitator

susan@peryamassociates.com

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770-301-1811

[Ethan_Mings]

Echo support for looking at the ASQ Recertification Process. I've used it for years as a way for sort out the books and training opportunities.

I'm sure ASQ could be of assistance on this topic.

Jerry

[Cameron_Fraser]

This considered and thoughtful discussion on recertification makes me profoundly sad. Recertification was first discussed as part of the original design of the certification program. It did not get much attention initially as there was more than enough work to do to get initial certification up and running. I first heard about recertification in mid 2001 and later that year saw a fully documented, ready to implement process. I still have the hard copy around here somewhere.

For reasons having to do with the decision to bring the certification program inside the organization, which I will not elaborate on here, the association lost access to that already developed recertification process. Consequently after I had served as the Director of Certification Operations (DCO) for a couple of years, and before I joined the board, I volunteered to develop a process. I consulted extensively before producing a draft process which was given to the Board (then the ACT) in 2005.


In developing this draft process I was guided by several bits that came out through the consultation:

The association needed the revenue stream. (I list it first but this was not first and foremost in people's minds. It was, and is I suspect, a reality. I did say often when working as the DCO that the organization should not expect certification or recertification to be a significant form of income because of the costs of running the program.)
That people certified were not going to spontaneously lose their skills therefore any recertification should focus on determining if the individual was:

still active in the field, and
was pursuing ongoing professional development

Any process had to be easy both for the association to run and for the individuals to participate in.
I also consulted extensively after the draft was produced and still have the 21 page document of comments and discussions (and believe me I have heard it all..."We don't need recertification in any form"..."Recertification should be exactly the same as the initial certification"..."We shouldn't have certification of any kind because its elitist", etc.)

I know my draft made no particular progress but that Michael Spivey has done a great deal of work on recertification since taking over the Professional Development Strategic Initiative and I believe he incorporated some of the work I did.

So here we are in 2009. Recertification has been under discussion for a decade. If I had a client who behaved like this I would be tearing out my hair and looking for new clients. The fact is we will never satisfy everyone and this discussion feels like we might start yet again.


My experience has been that, as an association, we revisit things endlessly. I know of specific cases where people have brought proposals to the board which have been rejected by the leadership of the association and once the board composition changes those proposals resurface, sometimes several times. On recertification I would hope we have reached the point where the board will decide (or, preferably, has decided) or will delegate the authority to some individual to decide:
Whether will will have recertification or not.
How it will be done
When it will be implemented
It really comes down to those three decisions and I believe its time to get on with it one way or another.

[Cameron_Fraser]

This is a p.s. I see in a seperate thread that Michael Spivey has described the process so it looks to me like the three decisions have been made. Three cheers! ... now where do I sign up to get my recertification done...I'm well past my best before date.